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1inStripes
Citizenship and being here legally are two totally different things, and no, being here legally isn't requires nothing similar to earning your citizenship.
I said it before and I'll bring it up again...if you're undocumented/illegal, and are interested in pursuing an education...get a Student Visa. Plain & simple. That way, they may not be full citizens, but we know that they're on US soil and what their purpose in the US is. I don't think that's an unreasonable requirement, R13.
Not all people who come to the US to get a college degree stay in the US to work, so I'm not really all in favor of pushing for "full citizenship". If they want to come here on a Student Visa, get their education, then either extend it to get a Masters or Doctorate, that's fine. BUT--if they choose not to, and they're not a legal US citizen, they can be deported with degree in hand to their home country. When the Visa runs out--it's time to leave. That's true for any student from any country coming in here to get an education, even Canadians...for instance.
Now, in the meantime of getting their education that they want to apply for full citizenship, they pass all the tests, and they're sworn in--then they get to stay here as citizens and pay taxes and work here like anyone else.
I don't really see what's so hard-hearted or unfair about what I'm suggesting.
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As in obtaining either, it's basically the same as in redtape and hoops to jump through, not talking about the end result.
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Originally Posted by
CoeburnCane
I said it before and I'll bring it up again...if you're undocumented/illegal, and are interested in pursuing an education...get a Student Visa. Plain & simple. That way, they may not be full citizens, but we know that they're on US soil and what their purpose in the US is. I don't think that's an unreasonable requirement, R13.
I don't think you understand it isn't cut and dry as "get a visa", they are denied or voided for a laundry list of reasons...they aren't easy to come by at all.
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Student Visas
Qualifying for a Student Visa
The Immigration and National Act is very specific with regard to the requirements which must be met by applicants to qualify for the student visa. The consular officer will determine whether you qualify for the visa. Additionally, applicants must demonstrate that they properly meet student visa requirements including:
* Have a residence abroad, with no immediate intention of abandoning that residence;
* Intend to depart from the United States upon completion of the course of study; and
* Possess sufficient funds to pursue the proposed course of study.
Yeah thats not that hard to understand.
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Dude that's not all there is to it, that's after you quality for it and met the requirements, there's a reason why it says "additionally" before listing those.
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That was small sample I copied. Why I gave the link for those who want to read it.
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R13
I don't think you understand it isn't cut and dry as "get a visa", they are denied or voided for a laundry list of reasons...they aren't easy to come by at all.
If that's the case, and they want an American college education, and a Visa isn't an option--then apply for citizenship, pass the tests, get sworn in, and get an education as an American citizen.
One of 2 ways to do it if they really want to do it the right way. If they're smart enough to attend college, then I'd presume they'd be smart enough to pass the citizenship exams and be sworn in. Not a major stretch. Then, they'd be able to get an education regardless of this law, no matter where it's passed.
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The problem with r13 is he thinks the world is some fairy tale where everyone is supposed to get along. The problem with that is, its not that way. People are supposed to be documented for a reason...a security reason. Not because we want to keep people from bettering themselves, because we want to protect our own. This is not the United States of Earth, as much as you want it to be.
If they really want that education that bad, they will do what it takes. Like Cane said, if they are smart enough to get a college degree, then they shouldn't have a problem getting the Visa.
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Originally Posted by
Shooter
The problem with r13 is he thinks the world is some fairy tale where everyone is supposed to get along. The problem with that is, its not that way. People are supposed to be documented for a reason...a security reason. Not because we want to keep people from bettering themselves, because we want to protect our own. This is not the United States of Earth, as much as you want it to be.
If they really want that education that bad, they will do what it takes. Like Cane said, if they are smart enough to get a college degree, then they shouldn't have a problem getting the Visa.
Thank you for the backing, but I have to disagree w/the sentiment that we aren't a world-wide country. We're the most powerful country on the earth still, and people across the globe look to us for help. Now...does that mean we shouldn't protect our borders? No--that'd be irresponsible.
We need to be cautiously responsible regarding our borders, but we shouldn't be xenophobic and unaccepting as a culture either. That's a really hard concept for most in this country to grasp.
